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Clearing 35” Tires at any Ride Height

As the 4x4 world progresses, people are moving away from the sky high lifted trucks of old in favour of rigs that are low slung with an emphasis on stability. However, there still exists a common misconception that a tall truck equals a capable off road truck. While 3 foot high door sills may benefit you in some trail scenarios, a low slung truck that is properly built can go anywhere it’s taller counterparts can – and then some. So, why doesn’t everyone build a low rider on big tires you may ask? Well, the answer is tire clearance.
Lifting a truck 6+ inches with a combination of a suspension lift and a body lift is the easiest way to clear 35”+ tires. However, in the process you lose stability both on and off road. This can lead to more likely roll overs on the trail as well as poor on-road manners. Not to mention the fact that a tall suspension lift does not always mean a flexy suspension lift. And a flexy suspension is one that will keep your tires in contact with the trail and maintain your forward progress.
 
So, how do you achieve the goldilocks setup of large tires AND low ride height. The answer is the firewall tub. The firewall is the wall that separates the engine compartment from the passenger compartment. Coincidentally, this also happens to be the greatest source of rubbing and tire interference when fitting larger tires. A firewall tub involves cutting back the offending firewall sections and replacing them with new sheet metal that will provide the space required for those big meats to work their magic on the trail.
 
This article is meant to serve as a resource for those looking to take the plunge and tub their own vehicle. I will cover just about every detail required to clear 35” tires on a 3rd generation Toyota 4Runner AT ANY RIDE HEIGHT. Yes, you read that right. Any. Ride. Height. (I will explain more later). Some of these details will include setting your rear bumpstop height, relocating your vacuum canister and windshield washer reservoir, and how much fender trimming is required. While these details are specific to the 3rd generation 4Runner (and 1st generation Tacoma), the general procedure covered in this article is applicable to any vehicle you choose to tub.
Disclaimer: This article is simply an informational resource to give you an idea of what is required to tub a vehicle for over sized tires before deciding to attempt it yourself. Coastal Offroad nor myself are responsible for any problems you encounter while tubbing or as a result of tubbing your own vehicle.

What You’ll need:

  • Floor Jack
  • Jack Stands
  • Wrench and socket set
  • Welder
  • 16 gauge sheet metal (~4 square feet to be safe)
  • 4-5” angle grinder
  • Smaller die grinder
  • Cutting disks
  • Flap disks
  • Masking tape
  • Sharpie marker
  • Polyurethane sealant
  • Primer
  • Rubberized undercoating or bedliner
  • Automotive edge trim
  • Extra adhesive (for edge trim)
  • Touch up paint

Understanding IFS

In this section, I am going to ramble on about the mechanics and nuances of independent front suspension to give you a better understanding of why I perform the fender tub the way I do.
 
First off, let’s get one thing straight. IFS suspension lifts do not help you clear bigger tires. They also do not increase wheel travel, short of a full-on long travel suspension setup that uses longer lower control arms. Yes, you may gain a small amount of extra droop or down travel by forcing longer strut assemblies into your front end and going to Uniball upper control arms, but that’s it. The only thing that an IFS lift does is change the static ride height of your front suspension. Static ride height is the height that your vehicle sits at while on level ground with only the weight of the vehicle compressing it. So what does this mean? Let’s look at the following example:

Any given suspension needs up and down travel to function properly. This allows your tires to move up and out of the way when they hit a bump, or drop down into dips and potholes. A stock 3rd generation 4runner has approximately 8” of wheel travel from max extension/droop to full bottom out on the bumpstops. When at static ride height, let’s say it sits right in the middle of its 8” of suspension travel, giving it 4” of up travel and 4” of down travel as shown below. The wheel positions at max compression and extension are shown in grey and the wheel position at static ride height is shown in black.

3" Lifted Suspension

This travel range give the tires a comfortable suspension range to follow both bumps and dips in the terrain. Then, a 3” suspension lift is installed, moving the static ride height position 3” downwards in its 8” of total suspension range, as shown below:

As you can see, the total suspension travel range has not changed. Only the static ride height position within that range has changed. Now, the suspension has 7” of up travel and only 1” of down travel! Not an ideal use of your available wheel travel range to say the least. Yes, that 3” increase in static ride height will give you that extra ground clearance, but your suspension is no longer sitting in its travel correctly.
 
One common side effects of an IFS suspension that sits too high and is sprung too stiffly is “topping out”. A simple speed bump can cause this. You drive into the speed bump and after the initial compression, the suspension rebounds and extends, sharply hitting the top of its travel range and causing a harsh knocking sound. This is because it only has 1” of available down travel before it maxes out – not much travel to work with. This can damage your suspension components over time and makes for an uncomfortable ride. This also translates into reduced traction and performance when trying to carry momentum up hill climbs. As the suspension compresses and extends, it will be bouncing off of the top of its travel range and the tires will begin to hop rather than staying in contact with the trail surface.
 
Now, I will say that this is a simplification of a more complicated issue and there are other factors that come into play. And I am not saying “Don’t lift your IFS” or “all IFS lifts are bad”. They still give great clearance benefits. I just don’t recommend going any higher than 2.5”. As far as real world down travel numbers go, I am sitting 2.5″ higher than stock ride height with Tundra Bilstein 5100’s and SPC Upper control arms. This setup gives me 2 1/8″ of down travel which is enough. However, I wouldn’t want any less than that.
 
So, how does all of this relate back to how IFS suspension lifts do not truly increase tire clearance? The location and height of your bump stops is what determines the max compression of your suspension, and this, of course, is where you will experience the greatest amount of tire rub. When you lift your IFS by 3”, you are not moving the location of your bump stops by 3”. They stay where they are. Therefore, at full compression, your tires will be in the exact same place as a stock suspension setup at full compression. No tire clearance is gained. The goal of the firewall tub is to create enough space in the wheel wells that the tires will not rub at full compression. Now, you may see how suspension lift height is completely irrelevant when truly clearing bigger tires for functional offroad use!
 
A Side Note: If you bought your 35’s to flex on curbs at the mall, you probably never will fully compress your suspension. In this case, a tall, stiff suspension lift will keep the tires higher in the travel range and reduce the frequency of tire rubbing. However, if this sounds like you, this article probably isn’t for you anyways…

Starting the Clearance Process

Now that I’ve given a bit of background on how IFS works and what our end goal is – Zero tire rub at full compression, lock to lock steering – let’s dive into it.
The first step is to jack up the front end of your vehicle and support it on jack stands. Remove both front tires so you have space to work and then remove the front fender liners, front bumper (if you still have a stock front bumper), and the fenders themselves. The front fender liners will not be reused. The fenders themselves are removed to give you space to work and so they can be trimmed.

With those pieces removed, it’s time to remove the windshield washer system from the front of the passenger side wheel well. The washer reservoir must be replaced with a smaller unit and moved up into the engine bay. I don’t cover this relocation in this article, but there are other resources out there as well as complete relocation kits that can be purchased. Below is a picture of the wheel well space created by relocating the washer reservoir.

It is also necessary to relocate the vacuum system canister located at the front of the driver side wheel well. Luckily, I found that it could be simply moved further into the corner of the wheel well without any tire interference or the need to extend the vacuum line. I simply unbolted the bracket, bent the bracket arms slightly, and push the canister as far into the top corner of this space as possible. I then reinstalled the canister using an existing hole in the wheel well and an additional nut and bolt. Easy!

With those odds and ends taken care of, let’s get on with the tub itself. I recommend doing one side at a time. Start by removing the front sway bar and the front strut. Then, reinstall the tire.
 
Next, move to the interior. There are a number of wires and other electrical components located along the driver and passenger side kick panels. It is crucial that all of these components are moved well out of the way before cutting into your firewall! Start by removing the door sill trim piece and kick panel. With the floor mats removed, unhook the carpet from behind the pedals and tuck it as far away from the kick panel area as possible. You will now be faced with a bird’s nest of wiring. Now, I didn’t actually need to disconnect anything. I simply unbolted as many of the restraining brackets and clips as possible and moved everything as far as possible from the area that will be going under the knife. Wrap a large damp towel over the area. This will catch any grinding sparks from setting your interior on fire as well as limit the grinding and dust from stinking up your interior.
 
It’s finally time to make your first cuts! The basic procedure here is simple. Jack up the suspension to full compression and then turn the steering full lock to full lock. Anything that the tire touches gets cut out. With the strut removed, you may now easily jack up the suspension to full compression to mimic a full bottom out scenario. To do this, place your floor jack underneath your lower control arm – the closer to the tire the better. Now, jack up the lower control arm just until the jack begins to lift the entire vehicle. It’s possible that even with your tires pointing straight ahead, your tire will hit the firewall before you reach full compression. That is ok. Mark out where the tire is contacting the firewall. Lower your jack back down a few inches so that the tire is no longer rubbing the firewall. Turn your vehicle on and turn the steering one way and the other. Hop out and recheck where the tires are rubbing the firewall while turning. Do this a couple times at various jack heights to give yourself a good idea of the arc that the tires take when steering. This will give you a better understanding of the extent of how much cutting you will need to do.

Once you have a good idea, remove the tire and start cutting! I used a combination of a 5” angle grinder with cutting wheels and a smaller pneumatic grinder with a 3” cutting wheel on it. Every so often, reinstall the tire, jack it up and turn the steering lock to lock again to reassess where more material needs to be removed. While cutting, be extra careful that none of the electrical wires or components have shifted and have fallen back down into harm’s way. I can assure you that I will not be writing a how-to article on how to re-wire your 4runner so you’re on your own for that one. Below is the final amount of cutting required for the driver’s side:

Creating the Firewall Tub

Once your tires can turn lock to lock steering at full compression without rubbing anything in the wheel well, its time to patch up the gaping hole you’ve made in your firewall. This process can be quite time consuming, as you most likely have a very irregularly shaped hole to fill with flat sheet metal. However, with some patience I am confident that anyone can do this step and end up with a decent end result. I used 16 gauge sheet steel as it’s a nice compromise between strength and malleability. Depending on how experienced you are with working with sheet metal, decide ahead of time if you are going to cover the entire hole with one piece of sheet metal, or piece it together with several smaller pieces. One large piece will leave you with a cleaner finished product but will be much more difficult to contour to the opening.
 
Start by laying a piece of cardboard (something similar in thickness to a cereal box is ideal) over the opening, contouring the cardboard into the hole as you would the sheet metal to achieve the max possible amount of tire clearance. You want to make sure you aren’t losing the tire clearance you just worked so hard to gain by using a poorly contoured sheet metal tub. Trace the shape of the opening onto the backside of the cardboard. Once you have a rough outline, cut out the traced shape of cardboard and transfer that onto your sheet metal. Cut out the sheet metal, erring on the side of caution by cutting the piece slightly bigger than required. It’s much better to have the piece slightly too large and fold its edge over your firewall opening rather than ending up with gaps. Unlike with thicker steel plate, you will burn through the thin factory firewall sheet metal unless you have a generous overlap between the firewall and your sheet metal patch. Once you are happy with your metal patch, prepare your firewall for welding by taking a flap disk and sanding off the undercoating surrounding the opening. A ½”-3/4” strip all the way around should be sufficient. Be careful to sand it just enough to expose the bare metal and no more. You are already working with very thin steel, and excessive sanding will make it even thinner and thus easier to burn through with your welder!

Before tacking your piece of sheet metal in place, double check that your damp towel is still in place behind your firewall to catch any sparks or excessive heat from damaging your interior. Now, take your sheet metal patch and lay it over the opening. To achieve a nice contour that maximizes tire clearance, I started by tacking the top edge to the firewall and then hammering the sheet metal into the opening. I then repeated this process of tacking and then hammering until the whole piece of sheet was contoured and tacked to the firewall. If you are using multiple pieces of sheet metal, repeat this process until the whole opening is filled. The driver’s side looked like this:

Then, finish off all sheet metal edges with weld beads. Take your time and use many short passes with the welder. Depending on your welder and amount of sheet metal welding experience, you may only be able to weld for a couple seconds at a time before burning through the firewall. So be patient and take your time. Once fully welded, move to the other wheel well and repeat this process. After tubbing, my passenger side looked like this:

Now it’s time to seal your firewall against corrosion and any water leakage into the interior. I use polyurethane sealant as it provides excellent adhesion to the firewall, dries slightly flexible to prevent chipping, and is paintable. To seal my firewall, I placed a generous bead on all welded seams as well as on the backside of the tub in the interior for extra peace of mind.

I followed this up with a few coats of primer and then a rubberized undercoating that will absorb road debris spray rather than chipping off. Below are some views of the finished driver side tub:

And the passenger side:

Trimming your Outer Fenders

It’s now time to trim your outer fenders. There are a number of different ways to do this. Some choose to cut the absolute minimum amount of fender and essentially contour the fender to the shape of the tire at full compression by trimming the fender only where the tire will contact it. I personally don’t like this method as you end up with a fender profile that has been obviously cut. Instead, I measured how much tire to fender interference there was at the top of the tire (the point of greatest interference) and then removed an even amount of material from the whole fender profile. This will maintain the factory wheel well profile and result in a much cleaner end result. The one exception to this is the area at the bottom of the fender near the firewall. When the wheels are turned, this area will experience a lot of interference so requires more trimming. In the end, I ended up taking off 1.25” from the whole fender profile, but then tapered this cut to 2” for the bottom 12-16” of the fender near the firewall.

How did I measure out a clean cut? I simply plotted points all around the fender opening by measuring 1.25” from the fender edge and marking the point with a permanent marker. I marked a point every couple inches around the fender and then connected the points with a straight edge, as shown above.

Once marked out, I used a small pneumatic air tool with a 3” cutting wheel to carefully cut the new fender profile. Once you are finished your cut, place the fender loosely back in place on the vehicle and ensure that you cut enough off by jacking the tire back up to full compression and turning it lock to lock. Trim more off the fenders if necessary. Before finishing off the edge, my final cut looked like above.
Once both fenders are cut to their final profile, be sure to paint the exposed metal edge to prevent corrosion. I then finished the edge with some black automotive edge trimming. The adhesive on the product I purchased wasn’t the best, so I added some super glue to the fender lip and pressed the edge trimming firmly in place. This creates a clean, factory looking fender edge and also protects the edge from rock chips and the resulting corrosion. I will go as far as to say that I think my cut fender profile looks better than the original factory lines!
You are now pretty much finished clearancing your 4Runner for 35’s! Reinstall your fenders, front struts/coil overs, and wheels, being sure to tighten everything to their specified torque values.
Move to the interior and put all of the wiring you have displaced back into position. Replace the carpet in its correct spot. Depending on the shape of your tub profile, your interior kick panels may or may not require trimming to fit properly. For me, I was able to reinstall my passenger side kick panel cut-free, but my drivers side panel did require some trimming to get back in place. Even still, my dead pedal is about half the size that it used to be but like anything, you will get used to it. At the end of the day, it’s a small price to pay for fully functional 35’s! Here is a view of my passenger side foot well:

Here are some photos of the finished fender and firewall profiles with the tires reinstalled. As you can see, my cut line smoothly follows the factory fender line until the bottom corner, where it tapers to a slightly more substantial cut. The drivers side:

And the passenger side:

And the whole truck, sitting nice and low on those 35’s.

I hope this article was informative to you and will give you the confidence to tackle this modification on your own vehicle. While it is a very time-consuming project that has many irreversible aspects to it, I am confident that anyone with a small amount of mechanical inclination is capable of doing it. Just plan everything out in advance and take your time. I promise you that the end result of 35’s and a low ride height is worth it!

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18 Responses

  1. Awesome article! I noticed you have pictures on your site of GX470 setting nice and low . Were pictures taken of the tubing of that front end?
    Thanks again for the info. Does COF already sell to a really good welder in the Dallas FortWorth area? Thanks again.

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  2. Thanks for posting this article it was very informative. I plan to do something similar to my fzj80 if I actually take the time to learn how to weld.

    I was wondering though, what type of shop would you recommend contacting for a quote on this work? Could any reputable body shop handle this or would this need to be done by a 4×4 specific builder?

    I’m in Dallas so if you have a name to throw out that would be great!

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    1. Hi John,

      I am glad you enjoyed the article! Welding is one of those skills where once you can do it, you’ll wonder how you ever got by without out. It opens up so many doors for various projects. As for getting a shop to do it, I highly recommend finding a shop with 4×4 experience. They will have a better sense of what’s required and how to ensure the tires still clear at full suspension articulation. I do not have any shop names in the Dallas area unfortunately, but I recommend reaching out on a local 4×4 group for your area.

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  4. What is UP Coatal Offroad crew! I’ve read this article a few times over the past 6 months as I get closer and closer to needing new tires and would LOVE to be able to run 35’s with my 2.5″-3″ lift. I am wondering your take on instead of cutting out the firewall, using an air hammer to… massage, the firewall back in order to clear. Have you heard of this technique / any success stories? Hope you’re all well, and congrats on a booming business! Love all the Runners out here I’ve seen with your armor.

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    1. Hey Sam,
      I’m glad you’ve found the article to be useful for your build! Massaging the firewall back can be an effective method too, but the only issue is that it does have its limit before the metal either splits or just simply cannot be hammered back any further. If you are still getting tire rub at that point, you’ll then have to cut back the deformed metal which may be harder to patch.
      My advice would be to test fit the tire, assess the amount of firewall rubbing at full stuff with the wheels turned, and then make a judgement call on how much more clearance is needed. If it’s a lot, I would recommend cutting rather than hammering, though it certainly is more work!

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  5. Nice article, I like that this makes it look stock and clean at the same time. I was looking at going with 35’s on my 2020 4Runner. To reduce the cutting (not eliminating it) I was looking at adding a 2in long travel suspension kit from total chaos. Hoping to make up for the suspension travel from a lift. Did this idea of a LT suspension come up as a possibility for you? If so was there something that made you stay with the factory length on upper lowers?

    This is some good work and I agree working behind a welder is one of those valuable trades you will wonder how you ever lived without.

    Looking forward to my next project with my 4Runner.

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    1. Thanks Grant! Great questions! Yes, an LT Kit will make clearing 35″ tires easier in most cases. The main reason for this is that most LT kits move the tires outwards (hence the +2) but also forwards. Moving your front axle line forwards is really the key to clearing larger tires with less cutting, as it gets your tires away from the firewall and further into the space forwards of the wheel wells. Unlike the firewall, this area in front of the wheel wells is easy to clear by simply ditching the stock front bumper and replacing it with a higher-cut aftermarket bumper.

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  6. Great information for installing 35″ on a 3rd Gen! I am planning on doing a gear change to 4.88 and cutting the fire walls but I wanted to ask if their was any trimming in the rear wheel well when fitting the 35″.

    Thanks! Rich

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    1. Hey Richard, Glad you found the article useful! The rear takes very little work compared to the front. When lifting the rear suspension with longer shocks, extended bump stops are usually mandatory to prevent the shocks from bottoming out and getting damaged. The added benefit of this is that it keeps the tires a little further out of the wheel wells under full compression. To clear the 35’s in the rear of this 3rd gen, we only did 2″ bumpstop extensions paired with some very minor trimming of the body at the back of the wheel wells. I recommend flexing out your 4Runner with the new tires and then checking where/if if rubs, and then trimming accordingly.

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      1. I think I should be good to go because I am running the TRD 5100 setup up front and the LC80 springs with FJ 5160 shocks in the rear. I am also using the Duro Bumps 5.25 in the rear. A quick question I am planning on running a set of 1st gen 5 spoke 17′ Tundra wheel with the 35″. Should I use front spacers to help with the backspace in the front?

        Thanks again for your quick response!

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        1. Hi Rich,

          I love the look of those Tundra/Sequoia 17’s on the 3rd gen 4Runner. Nice choice! Those wheels will push the tires out ever so slightly (They are 0.5″ wider) but you will still require spacers to clear everything. I recommend 1.25″ wheel spacers

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  7. I think this needs to happen with my “new” replacement 4th gen. Once I start to move everything over from the last one I’m thinking I should just do this and be done with it. Appreciate you taking the time to lay the process out for people. I think there are a lot of people out there that have no idea that this is even an option.

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    1. Hey Robert,

      The 4Runner here has 8″ wide wheels with 4.5″ back spacing + 1.25″ wheel spacers. It also has SPC control arms. The tires are 315/75R16.

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  9. I’m excited to try this. Though I’m planning on 315/75 16in tires so 34.5s will I need to get SPC upper control arms to clear it or will tubbing it be enough?

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    1. Hey Dalen!

      Upper control arms are ideal to help clear the inside wall of the tires, but the alternative is to use wheel spacers or aftermarket wheels to push the wheels out and away from the UCA’s. Just keep in mind that the further outwards you space the wheels, the larger the arc they will make while turning and this will increase rubbing at the firewall. The 4Runner here has 8″ wide wheels with 4.5″ back spacing + 1.25″ wheel spacers.

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